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Why would they not have that feature when the Tungsten XX has the same OS version as the LifeDrive?
Just a guess...
- no hard drive- no dedicated Rotate Button- no boing-boing stylus- no thickness- no earphone jack on *bottom*- no sliding Hold switch- no raised buttons
Really, what is Palm thinking these days?
>The above part of this post to pre-empt the inevitable Trolls<
So, another possible contender for my Cradle Kit and Travel Charger. Nice. Now I really *do* believe we are seeing The Colligan Effect.
-no voice recorder...
This is a question (not for me though)____________________Future Online!Sorry for my bad english :(
We can see it has the other things we want, like virtual keyboard and graffiti area, wifi, bluetooth, landscape and portrait etc. Lesssee, it took how many months when the rumors came out to get the LD? 3 or 4? Probably a fall or Christmas item then. Hope its sooner
Yes, I actually did forget the Voice Recorder. And someone else brought up the Vibrating Alarm, which I also forgot.
I doubt we'll see these in this unit. Ah, well. Personally, I could do without both, but I understand how these are real needs for other people -- especially those looking for something to replace their T3 without having to get the LifeDrive. For those people, The Quest Continues...
(Someone go tell Surur that I'm lobbing him a softball; he might want to take a swing at it.)
I find that what a lot of us want is hardware similar to the high-end PPC stuff. We want it at a competitive price. But very importantly, we want it with the Palm OS.
So it begs the question of why P1 won't just go ahead and do it. Any possibility they are scared to stand toe to toe with PPCs? (That was for you, Surur.) Do they not want to have to compete dollar for dollar, feature for feature? Are they just trying to be "distinct", making sure that palmOne products don't just blend in with all the other hardware? For the life of my I can't figure out what's the drive behind the reluctance. (Ok, admittedly it was a very lame attempt at a play on words, but I thought I'd give it a try anyway.)I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
My God! Now THAT'S a PIC improvement I can get behind!
What, have you got the same syndrome as TVOR? You know, the one where you believe that whatever you say is so vastly important that it should never be "moderated" (censored, modified, deleted, etc.).
I have a hard time believing that Ryan deletes posts just because the poster doesn't cheer for Palm. Might I suggest that your posts are falling into the "inane" catagory and therefore should be deleted? I think you give yourself too much credit.I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
Anyway, not doubt Mr Surur will continue with his M$ zealotry over at Pocket PC Thoughts. The guys over there just love to console each other about just how superior their WinCE/PPC/WinMob/whatever units really are. Who know? If they keep saying often enough, they might even start to believe it themselves. Losers.
Siriously, it looks VERY nice, however I'm quite disappointed with no Cobalt rumored.Wondering how much it will cost...____________________Future Online!Sorry for my bad english :(
If this is legit, I wonder if the T5 will be discontinued, or placed as the new midrange handheld (like a Zire 73).
Am I the only one who's getting tired of the Vx/Tungsten E design? They should invest more money in design or R&D.
Anyway, I think the design is great. Especially the color. The thread should read not again. Yawn. garnet. I'm sick of Garnet. Palm can go @% themselves.
I suspect they decided that everyone liked the design due to the fact they sold a ton of the T|E devices. When it was the PRICE that everyone liked. A cheap looking design on a cheap handheld is tolerable, but on a premium model, a more sophisticated design is needed -- i.e., Tunsten T, T2, T3.
Just an opinion, many here probabl like the plastic shell and 'E' casing.
No palm device from this point on should be without...- At least 320x240 pixel screen- Vibration- Bluetooth, Wifi or both!
I'm still waiting for a midrange 420x320 device with wifi, and voice recording. Thats all I want!!!
As I see it, at present, the T5 is a somewhat "misplaced" product as the price difference with the LifeDrive isn't that big. I think anyone would pay the $ 100 extra for Wi-Fi and the 4 GB harddisk.
If you buy the T5 now and the Wi-Fi card you'd pay $499 the same price as the LifeDrive (and you don't get the HD and the VR and the LED and...)
So in what price category should this T|XX be? I mean with the extra Wi-Fi it should be at least $50 more expensive than the T5 and it would cost $449 and than the price difference with the LD would be even smaller.
BTW I really mis the "Home" icon on the taskbar and this is the second detail that makes me feel even stronger that this was just a test model.
But the new T/XX will need to be priced at about $399 so as not to compete with the LifeDrive.
Me, I don't need all that power and/or features; when's the new Zire 73 coming out?
Good catch! Now if this is a release model and they have decided to cut the home button, they can really go $%@# themselves.
Fear not. In MOST games I tried on the LD, the home button (actually a remapped Memo button IIRC) doesn't do anything. In the handful of games where it does exit the title, you can use the above mentioned program to reassign another function to it.
Dmitry also solved the LD 's lack of simultaneous button inputs
And is this spam by surur going to be removed? I say this is crossing the line. I say suspend him.
Is Hue Heffner endorsing the new PalmOne T|XXX handheld?The world will end in 2006. Just as it was predicted in the bible along with the release of Microsoft Longhorn.... :p
NVFS, Wifi, Bluetooth 1.2, Landscape+DIA, ect. All parts of Cobalt that Palm is trying to emulate and managed to botch very badly. 80% of Palm engineers are software engineers, yet they are to lazy to move to Cobalt, but too thick to write robust and stable code. I hope Oswin releases a whole host of Cobalt smartphones and pdas that send P1 spiraling into bankruptcy.
1) Do a Cobalt model?2) Skip Cobalt and do a Cobalt-skin-on-Palm-For-Linux model?
Mace has just stated elsewhere that Cobalt As We've Never Known It is undergoing changes for the Linux skin version. This means that pre-Linux Cobalt is essentially a dead OS since pre-Linux Cobalt apps will *again* need fixes to run on the Linux skin version (geez, I hope you can follow all that!).
At this point, I'd be ranting against PalmSource.
Thanks again, Nagel. For nothing.
Well, skipping Cobalt is surely "yammy" (spelling?) in terms of spending money, but according to PSRC Roadmap we will see PoL at spring 2006, but even then there will be lots of things to implement. That spring version will be useful more (if not only) for Smartphones and not traditional PDAs.Cmon, I'm waiting for you! Cobalt, come here!
The version of Cobalt that is on that smartphone recently covered on PIC is different than the Cobalt that will be atop that Linux kernal. They explicitly talk about modifying and even dropping APIs. (They also mention now giving access to the CLI, something they said they wouldn't initially do.)
So what would you do as Ed Colligan? Release something with Cobalt "A" and then have the users complain when those "A" apps won't work properly on the Cobalt/Linux "B"? I'm not defending Palm's delay in releasing a Cobalt device. I'm just saying that things have changed. Maybe Colligan will go ahead and do it anyway. Who knows? (Only he does!)
I'd sure like that Cobalt Media Player, described herein:
It sounds like everything the current Palm Media app is *not*. (Yeah, yeah, Core -- but I mean *built-in*.)
Maybe we should set a trap with some food to lure it out. What do Cobalts like to eat?
2. I really need a side voice button for "Applications" usage.
3. No Voice Recorder/Vibrating alarm sucks.
4. Needs to be STABLE.
5. Needs LOTS of Cache/Heap REAL RAM.
6. Built-In WIFI is good.
7. FrankenGarnet 5.4.999999999999999999. This cracks me up.
I think this device is 2 years late.
I remember when Sony was out there releasing one software kludge after another with each new model. Developers complained about this, but people on this website were crowing about Sony's 'innovation'.
Now p1 is in the position where they have to tweak 0S5 in almost every new model to get it to do what's needed. Are they being praised for 'innovation'? No. They are being dumped on again by the same old crowd.
I've never had a Sony, but I've never heared any complains about any instability.This is now the issue with majority of p1 handhelds. And users wait way too long to get it fixed.Innovation is something you're making first in the market. When it was with Sony, there was inner PalmOS market. Now it is not.Or do you want to call Wi-Fi in HVGA PDA an "innovation"?
While I like the TXX how it's showed now, I do not think there is ANY R&D invested in it.Cmon, I'm waiting for you! Cobalt, come here!
*I don't mind the speaker being on the back, but I would like to see the Stereo Jack be at the left side instead of the top, the Voice Recorder back on track, and I would also like to see a dedicated Portrait-Landscape button.
*Third, I would like to see the same flip-cover used in the Tungsten T3 being used with the Tungsten T7. Literally, I would like to see the Tungsten T7 with an anodized aluminum case, a cosmetic top reminiscent of the Tungsten T3, flip cover reminiscent of the Tungsten T3, put the Stereo Jack at the left, give the Voice Recorder back, it has to have vibrate, but see below further.
The Tungsten T5 Form Factor is somewhat inevitable, but PLEASE give the Tungsten T7 the following:
* Anodized Aluminum Case. I'm sick and tired of Plastic Cases.*128MB or 256MB NVFS RAM, but please I would like to see further improvements to the block management system, each block shouldn't take any more than 8 bytes a block. NO MORE 512-BYTE SYNDROME. PERIOD.*LED Indicator PLUS Vibrate!!! Grrr!!!*SD Slot and Top Form-Factor reminiscent of the Tungsten T3.*Stereo Jack, Voice Recorder, and the Portrait/Landscape Switch all at the upper-left.*PUT THE SPEAKER AT THE FRONT!!!*624MHz Intel PXA270 Processor*Removeable Battery, PULEASE!!!
If palmOne can't afford to put a Voice Recorder, then fine. BUT AT LEAST USE AN ANODIZED ALUMINUM CASE this time.Powered by Palm OS since March 2002
So wi-fi, perhaps the E2 screen, perhaps more memory, and the recently stabilized software. An LED indicator and a vibrating alarm both seem like a stretch as does a metal case but maybe I am missing something.
Joking aside, the T|xx needs the feature-set of the T3, with the T5 memory scheme (assuming it is really fixed), the latest versions of available hardware and software, a T5 or better body (I can live with plastic if it is well done), and WIFI. Throw in a second slot (CF), and I'd finally have my "mythical color HandEra". Am I forgetting anything?
Unfortunately, this rumor is likely going to cause me to wait even longer for my next handheld upgrade. And with the increasing problems with my T2 digitizer, I'm not sure how long I can wait. (Why is it that the digitizer on the IIIxe I "handed-down" to my wife is working better than my T2's?)I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
The good news is that, given their history, this will probably be the *final* model from Palm that uses this industrial design. I hope they've contracted with frogdesign for the new ones.
Here we go again...I'm surprised it took so long.
Palm Vx (a classic) -> Palm 505 (yawn...) -> Dell Axim (slooow...!) -> Palm TE (great) -> Qtek 9090 (lousy sound quality) -> Nokia 6630 (a toy) -> SP3i (not bad) -> Treo 650 (awesome)
But on the other hand, i am somewhat sure, that this is no fake. Think of the fake-discussions of the lifedrive.. in the end, all this pics have been true!
1) anodized aluminium casing2) vibrate (and more stable than my T3, at least--that kept switching itself from silent to custom and making unwanted noises; YMMV)3) more viable name than Tungsten XX (hey, they never used "Tungsten X"--go with that!)4) and last but certainly not least, a nav pad that matches the color of the casing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Secondary:1) at least 400mHz2) LED and cradle!3) please do not let digitizer shift reoccur (I am tired of that)4) large screen (I like everything about TT3 except digitizer shift problem and the rather limited battery life).
- Status bar isn't the same as the newest (LifeDrive) status bar (e.g., no Home icon).
- Both Wi-Fi "in action" photos avoid revealing whether an SDIO WiFi card might be inserted. One is in the dark, the other crops off the top of the device. The photo of the web browser showing a page could be taken with a cached page.
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If so, then at least it would be truth in advertising ;)
That would be consistent with a new device coming out with built-in WiFi to take its place in the Tungsten product-line.
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Here's my take: Palm branded (the first new unit w/ new logo) Garnet 5.4.8Wi-Fi/BT512mb flash drive 312mhz CPUSame battery as T5Plastic housing darker than the T5 & fairly solidly built. No voice recorderNo charging LED No cradle includedGood software bundle Only a (relatively) few bugs at launch $399 MSRP at launch followed by the inevitable $50 MIR a few months later.
T5 will drop to $300-$325 to clear out existing stocks. Don't expect any great T5 discounts past that because they don't want to steal sales from T|E2
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It's like the Motorola RAZR black edition, equally gorgeous.
What's next? Maybe i'll have to reset to do anything, since Garnet has been tweaked to the point of near-instability.
Still waiting for Cobalt...Garnet 5.99999999999999999999999 will not cut it in 2006.