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This is goot nooos tho!Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Off the top of my head?
NokiaEricssonMotorolaLGSamsung ... Seimens, Audiovox ?Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Now Samsung is already a licensee, and SonyEricsson and Nokia are both dedicated to Symbian, which would lead me to believe that it is either Motorola or Seimens. Personally, I am hoping it is Motorola, since I would love to see of PalmOS version of the WinMob Razr they just announced.
These guys at TweedlePee and TweedlePalm are such rotten liars.
Nokia - will never be palmOS lisencee b/c have too much invested in Symbian Consortium (founding member and largest shareholder).
Moto - possilbe, has hands in other 3 major smartphone platforms (M$ WM, Linux, Symbian) and thus could also lisence palmos. Furthermore, was once a palmos lisencee prior looong time ago I recall...
Samsung - already Palmos lisencee...
Siemens - recently sold off its handset business to Benq which is a MS WM lisencee based in Taiwan I believe. Recall Benq developed the WM based P50 Treo clone which just received FCC approval. I doubt Siemens, a founding member of Symbian Consortiums, wouls lisence palmos...
Sony Ericcson - This would be a dream come true for PalmOS. Recall there were previous rumors of SE becoming a palmos lisencee back in 2003:
Thus, it may indeed be possibility that this has finally happenned. Of course, Sony is already a palmos lisencee now!!!
Finally, another OEM I would love to see lisence PalmOS is Sanyo!! They make great handsets and would seem a perfect fit for palmos IMO!!!I support http://Tapland.com/
Sony Ericsson is not top 5.
I can't see S-E going back to Palm now with so much invested in Symbian. It's a damn good OS.
If I were a betting man I would say Motorola would be the more lilkely candidate. It's US owned, where Palm is still big, and they also have a habit of provinding handsets in all flavours, with Symbian and Windows Mobile.
LG is a good possibility too. They don't have any smart-phones yet but are big in the 3G market now.
Remember Symbian is still no. 1 in the world outside of America for phones. Unless a firm is trying to break into the US market or trying to expand their range ourtside of one supplier I don't think you'll see everyone jumping on the Palm bandwagon.
Also look China. They are the second biggest mobile phone market now. It may be a local producer there.
This is what I get for listening to Morrissey on my PC and not surfing...
Continue with your Death Pools, kids.
http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/sharpos6.jpgPat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/samsungi750.JPGPat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
Since then, Moto ended its lisencing agreement with Palm, became a founding member of the Symbian Consortium, then sold off it stake in Symbian while still retaining its lisence, proclaimed it's focus on supporting Linux as a future smartphone platform, and finally also became a Microsoft WM lisencee!!! Thus to summarize, Motorola has at one time or the other been involved in ALL major mobile platform OS's!!!! Heck if you recall, there was once even a rumor that moto and palm were working on a palmos-based smartphone a few years ago:
If Moto does lisence palmos, then it would imo be a fitting culmination to a looong relationship that palmos has had with Moto over the years...I support http://Tapland.com/
Oh, and while you're at it, here's the infamous "it takes six seconds to launch anything on the LifeDrive" David Pogue on the Treo 650:http://tinyurl.com/cbb82I'm still waiting for the mythical "color HandEra."
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.
Table 1Worldwide Mobile Terminal Sales to End-Users in 1Q05 (thousands of units)
1Q05 Market 1Q04 MarketCompany 1Q05 Sales Share (%) 1Q04 Sales Share (%)Nokia 54.943.1 30.4 44,259.1 28.8Motorola 30,293.6 16.8 25,111.0 16.3Samsung 24,099.0 13.3 19,362.5 12.6LG 11,138.6 6.2 8,210.0 5.3Siemens 9,942.7 5.5 12,285.8 8.0Sony Ericsson 9,900.0 5.5 8,638.6 5.6Others 40,293.0 22.3 35,879.9 23.4Total 180,610.0 100.0 153,746.9 100.0
Note* This table excludes ODM to OEM shipments.source: Gartner Dataset (May 2005)
1Q05 Market 1Q04 MarketCompany 000s Units (% Sales) 000s Units (% Sales)
Nokia: 54,943.1 (30.4) 44,259.1 (28.8)Motorola: 30,293.6 (16.8) 25,111.0 (16.3)Samsung: 24,099.0 (13.3) 19,362.5 (12.6)LG: 11,138.6 (6.2) 8,210.0 (5.3)Siemens: 9,942.7 (5.5) 12,285.8 (8.0)Sony Ericsson: 9,900.0 (5.5) 8,638.6 (5.6)Others: 40,293.0 (22.3) 35,879.9 (23.4)Total 180,610.0 (100.0) 153,746.9 (100.0)
Note this table excludes ODM to OEM shipments.source: Gartner Dataset (May 2005)
(I've taken the liberty of tidying up the table - I found it a touch difficult to decipher at first).
Oh well, we live and learn!
My guess is that this is more of the same Nagel-esque type B.S. by McVeigh in order to prop up the stock price. At the end of the day, you or I will never see this phone in the flesh let alone be able to buy it.
Where's Nagel's 11 Cobalt phones for 2005?
Fool me once...
Relax. 6 months left in 2005 ... that's less than 2 new Cobalt devices per month. Should be no problem. :-oPat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
The Motley Crue of PalmOS licencees (a.k.a. the Lucky 13 Gang™):
Aceeca - Who? Don't make us laugh.
AlphaSmart - Aquired by Renaissance Learning in June 2005, PalmOS contract now cancelled. (How come it's so easy for companies to get out of their contracts with PalmOS? Remember how easily Sony dumped PalmOS overnight with NO financial penalty?)
Fossil - Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Ha.
Garmin - Will they ever ship another PalmOS device or is it only Windows from now on?
GSPDA - Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Ha. Some of the worst built phones I've ever seen. A fitting choice to introduce the first "official" Cobalt device.
Kyocera - Any new products in the past 4 years, guys?
Lenovo - More fun and games in Beijing. Shiping squat.
palmOne - Wisely shunned Cobullt (PalmOS 6), need to release a Windows Mobile Treo 700, but also need to buy PalmSource back for $50 - $75 million in 2006.
PiTech - a tiny ODM wannabe that makes nothing you can buy.
Samsung - purveyor of a full lineup of Vaporware PalmOS Smartphones. At least they sell phones in China, though.
Sony - Currently PalmSource is receiving ever-diminishing revenues from this so-called "licensee". Less than $200,000 per quarter for shipping nothing. Why even bother keeping Sony on the list of "licensees"? Because it looks good, that's why.
Symbol Technologies - shipping ancient (1999-vintage) hardware in low quantities, but has been a good licensee.
Tapwave - RIP. Soon to be a "former" licensee.------------------------Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.------------------------
The Palm Economy = Communism™The Great Palm Swindle: http://www.palminfocenter.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7864#108038
Where did you read this? Please provide a link to substantiate. AFAIK, Renaissance Learning, Inc/Alphasmart will continue to lisence PalmOS for the Dana line...I support http://Tapland.com/
Ahh - but thyatb is completely different then :
>>PalmOS contract now cancelled.
In fact - given that you obviously have a brain and that you obviously have a lot of time to kill coming up with propaganda for this site (such as this post above) - that would make you a liar.
Further - Garmin has put another Palm OS unit since introducing it's Pocket PC unit.
Then they did the quick stopgap of the 320*320 3200 model which was otherwise identical to the 3600.
AFAIK the 3200 has already been put out to pasture and Officemax now has the 3600 on clearance starting this week. Not a good sign if you ask me. I know that Garmin did a PPC-based 3600 variant and then a newer unit recently...I would imagine they will try to liquidate existing stocks of the 3600 and just quietly fade away.
The Voice makes a good point. Of all of the licensees mentioned above, the only one shipping NEW product to US retail (still the lion's share of where where people get PDAs/Smartphones) is P1. Symbol will probably milk their PIII/m500 era tech as long as humanly possible but I wouldn't anticipate them putting any $ into future POS development.
So short of buying a new P1 device, your best chance to see POS in action is to sign for a DHL or UPS package. Tragic..
I would assume that Motorola is the new licensee. It would make MORE sense to get a strong asian company with strong ties to the SD consortium *COUGH*, Matsu****a or Toshiba, *COUGH* who could use their leverage to get things like OLED screens etc. Toshiba should can their partnership with Audiovox (ugly, cheap feeling and cheaply built handsets), pick up PalmSource & P1 in one fell swoop, and use their expertise & $ to get a new generation of Treos & GigaBeat/LifeDrive mobile media devices out. Now THAT'D be a nice lineup!
In Q1 PalmSource shipped 1,131,310 OS licenses. PalmOne shipped 1,009,040 units. That leaves 122,270 devices to share amongst the 10 other licensees. What's that? 12 000 each? They must be doing VERY WELL.
You, Surur are a banned Pocket PC troll, so we really have no reason to believe anything you tell us. You're about as antagonistically biased as can be. Why you're so insecure about your own platform is an excellent question that I suspect has a very telling explanation.
As others have pointed out, Sony and Kyocera aren't shipping too many devices at all these days. I know Aceeca is doing well in the industrial market. Those 12,000 per company aren't distributed evenly. VoR dismissed them, and I pointed out that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Kirvin, you're even worse than Ska. At least she used to present reasons to back up her (often wild) statements. You, on the other hand, do nothing other than sling insults at those of us who have exposed you as a fraud. And then you run back home to cower under your mama's bed.
The fact that PalmSource spent even five minutes interviewing you for a position (even if it was for the job of Pastry Chef) shows how far out of touch with reality they've become.
------------------------Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.------------------------
Furthermore, Apple will announce something on July 7th !
It would be a good thing an Apple PDA :)
LiveFaith, could you give us a sneak peak into visual side of this thing once again? ;)Cmon, I'm waiting for you! Cobalt, come here!
And last time I checked Apple didn't manufacture any mobile handsets, much less be amongst the top five of handset providers.
I also doubt that PalmSource dropping support for the Mac in Cobalt endeared Apple to the idea of becoming a PalmSource licensee on a whim anytime soon.
Quite frankly, with PalmSource's market cap of $158m and Apple having $7 billion dollars cash in the bank, if Apple desperately needed anything from PalmSource it's more likely to buy it. However when you consider:- Apple's co-operation with Nokia and Motorola(working with TWO top-tier handset manufacturers)- Apple's portable OS X- Apple still sitting on the Newton PDA's intellectual property(as it should considering the tens of millions it poured into the project).
I don't think there's anything PalmSource can bring to Apple's table.----------"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight ï¿½ itï¿½s the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower
Here ya go texonite ... the hens are coming home to roost. :-)http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/ipalm.jpg
Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/apr/13results.html( Apple shipped 1,070,000 MacintoshÂ® units and 5,311,000 iPods during the [2nd] quarter [fiscal 05], representing a 43 percent increase in CPU units and a 558 percent increase in iPods over the year-ago quarter).
compare with:http://www.palmone.com/us/company/pr/news_feed_story.epl?reqid=725291(palmOne shipped approximately 4.5 million Zire(TM), Tungsten, Treo and LifeDrive family devices during its fiscal year 2005, and more than 1 million devices during the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2005).
In other words Apple has shipped more iPods alone in three months than PalmOne has sold devices in a whole year.
I think it can be safely said Apple is in the top 5 of mp3 player shippers!
The question we should all be asking is what can the new PalmSource licensee to for the Palm OS world?----------"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight ï¿½ itï¿½s the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower
Tex, Cobalt sounds like it is OVER. Plinux will have it for smartphones, but the PDA Cobalt will never see the light of day it seems. :-(
What could have been ...http://www.churchoflivingfaith.com/images/dellx50p.jpg... the ultimate profit killer. Had they done it, I would have never upgraded til 2029!Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com
and I'll just add that increases like that are not just PalmOne's but every PC manufacturer's wet dream in this current market!----------"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight ï¿½ itï¿½s the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower
I am a letter carrier. Our current handheld scanners are made by Legend, the huge Chinese computer maker. We are supposed to get new ones any time now.When I first saw the pictures of them, I was sure they were Symbols. But, the press release said Motorola. Then I found out that Motorola bought Symbol. So, technically Motorola is already a PalmOS licensee.
Anyway, I would be happy to find that our new scannners (some 800,000 of them) are going to be PalmOS. Maybe I can beam my own apps to it and won't have to carry my scanner AND my Zire all day at work. .....Yes, I know that is not going to happen, just joking.
Between Symbol and Motorola, there is a LOT of knowhow available. Motorola has made all the hardware you could imagine for the mobile world, right down to their ARM processor. Symbol has made all sorts of specialty model adaptations for many markets, though mostly vertical (remember "verticle" markets? the buzzword of the late 1990s. Whatever happened to that?)
I wonder if Legend might qualify as a top teir producer? The probably OEM smartphone models for many of the top 5 though they don't put their names on any at the consumer level.
Anyway, my point stands. This will be Motorola and I would guess that Symbol will also partner with them on the design and manufacture of this new product which will surely be a smartphone.
I could go for PalmOS in one of those clamshell PPC models Moto recently dropped before ever shipping in volume due to design flaws (too slow, low battery life, etc.)
HTC is going to slaughter Motorola if they go head to head in PPC PE (Or whatever they are calling it these days) OS phones. The Motos look great at shows, but they don't work or sell well at the store counter.
Yuk. I can't wait to get my IBM branded e-machine._________________Sean
I think it is LG or BenQ.
1) Nokia2) Motorola3) Samsung
Moto & Samsung, however are always seemingly only a few points of market share apart.
The next two are a toss-up due to constantly changing market share and the sale of Siemens to BenQ, etc.
LG is probably number 4, although Siemens/BenQ could be as well as Sony Ericsson.
Sony Ericsson is on a nice upswing right now, while LG which was doing really well for several quarters seems to have slowed down a bit...and Siemens which was struggling and sold its handset division to BenQ was likely not in the top 5 as of the last quarter.
I believe BenQ is already a Palm licensee and I believe Sony, one of the two parents of Sony Ericsson is already a licensee (although I don't know if that license automatically covers Sony Ericsson).
Nokia signed a license agreement with Palm a long time ago (about 5 years ago?), so they are probably not the one.
It would be interesting if it was Motorola as Moto has talked about its OS strategy being a two-pronged strategy with Microsoft and Linux as its two operating systems of choice. With Palm moving to a Linux platform, this might make a lot of sense for Motorola and would make the Palm OS more attractive for them.
However, LG lacks any sort of real Smartphone product, so they could be interested in jump-starting their high-end handset portfolio with a Palm OS device...
I found this when looking for info about Nokia being a Palmsource licensee. I don't recall seeing this back then in 1999. This was arranged when Palm was still part of 3com. Obviously this agreement has come to nothing but I wonder how much help Palm gave Nokia with Symbian OS as a result of it. It's bitter irony that Nokia's Symbian smartphones are now competing with Palm OS smartphones.
The question is whether any of this agreement is still in place and honoured by Palmsource/Palmone or if it was cancelled when Palm was spun off from 3com.----------"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight ï¿½ itï¿½s the size of the fight in the dog" - Dwight D. Eisenhower
Yeah, I wonder if/how Symbian benefitted from that agreement and if/how Palm could extract anything from that agreement to help itself today.
Just look though the archives to see the the slew of vaporware announcements and "partnerships" that were announced in the golden years of POS with little of significance--or simply nothing at all--coming to fruition (Palm w/ Compaq, Palm w/ Moto, Palm w/ Nokia, Palm w/ Acer, Palm w/ Kodak, Palm w/ IBM etc etc)
But nope, just another stupid "smart phone". Whoop de do.
I've never been a fan of their cellphones but LG's recent consumer electronics (TVs especially) offer a tremendous bang for the buck and pretty nifty styling too---even decent remote controls.